Inspiring Teaching and Parenting with Lee McCormick

Lee McCormick makes his return to the Bytes of Light Podcast! We are thrilled that he was able to join us for this session, and we get right into the thick of it. We discuss parenting, teaching, and how the two of these fundamental aspects of life interconnect and help you become a better mentor in your journey.

TEACHERS! Meet. Your. Students. Where. They're. At!

Not everyone is ready for the metaphorical "baseball bat," but they are ready to learn. Listen with us today while we address how important it is to understand where your students are at in their journey to best prepare them for those "baseball bat" moments.

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0:00 - intro

0:29 - Diving into it

3:00 - Unique Talents

6:00 - Chasing the "Feelgood"

9:15 - Teachers, Meet Students at their Level

15:00 - Parenting

20:00 - The Peru Learnings

21:10 - Living with Cancer

26:00 - Teotihuacán

31:00 - The Divine Masculine and Feminine

35:38 - Outro

Lee McCormick, a Florida native, grew up visiting his family’s ranch in Wyoming—an experience that shaped his future. He began pursuing his undergraduate degree at Fort Lewis College in Colorado, before finishing at Belmont University in Nashville. After his own recovery experience, his interest in behavioral health led him to found several residential-based treatment experiences, including The Ranch Recovery Center in Nunnelly, Tennessee, and The Canyon Treatment Center in Malibu, California.

Throughout the 20+ years that Lee has worked in spiritual-based recovery, he’s written several books and produced a documentary called Dreaming Heaven. His passion led him to host workshops and trainings, and facilitate groups for mental health and addictions treatment centers around the country. He co-founded the Integrative Life Center in 2010, a place where people could come to receive individualized treatment rooted in the real world. His entire life’s work has been devoted to empowering people to harness the power of self-discovery and the natural world.

Lee McCormick went on journeys for his own seeking, growth, and healing, spending years learning and co-teaching before leading journeys of his own. Through Spirit Recovery, Lee takes seekers on journeys to recover their authenticity—teaching them how to expand beyond their limiting beliefs, and how to “de-program,” returning to a state of true freedom, love, and happiness. Spirit Recovery journeys are the first step in coming back to a simpler, deeper way of living.

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Episode Transcript

welcome to Bytes of Light with Angel and Seth Rohrer we provide bite-sized nuggets of wisdom to feed your soul expand your awareness and free your mind to help you create more beautiful today and a brighter tomorrow join us in our magical kitchen as we serve up another high Vibe snack for your

soul welcome to bites of light snacks for your soul oh my goodness we have Lee McCormick back with us hello Audy it's so amazing to have another conversation with you and today we have Seth with us as well yeah I wasn't I wasn't able to make it the last time so glad to be here this time and and have this opportunity to chat again yeah man it's always good to check in with you guys yeah yeah we love every chance we get to to see you and and last time I know you guys talked a little bit about how you met in some of your past and I was going to share that for me I met you obviously through Angel and and we went on our first it was I guess it was my second ta trip but it was my first ta trip with you and it was very impactful for me I mean I I would say that between the two Journeys that we've been on with you to to Teo and then and then to Peru you taught me how to fly was and that was a very special gift that I hold very dear I mean that's it's allowed me to reach Heights I never knew possible so whether whether in that Temple of the Condor in pack in Peru yeah yeah flying through that window yeah yeah that was the first time that I that I flew with confirmation when I came to I looked up and there was a a shape of a of a bird punched out in the clouds that I had flown through and it was like oh wow that's that's really cool yeah interesting things happen you know yeah yeah so that's that was I I don't even know if we've ever really had a chance to talk about that there's always so much going on when we're doing those events but yeah that that learning to to let my mind go and and to follow where it leads me and and fly and experience that to that level is I attribute very much to your your guidance and you're showing me how to do that showing my energy body how to take off while my human body stays planted well I think it's I think it's already innate in us it's it's that we somebody comes along that reminds us you know that it guides us back into that space again and then we just pass it down right well absolutely I was I was same thing with me I was I was shown how to do that and it it kind of I took to it naturally so yeah yeah because some people do have that gift you know just just like everything on this planet some people can attain different things and other people can sometimes it's a natural gift and sometimes you got to put in the thousands and thousands of hours and you can still get there but I do believe this was one of your gifts oh well it's I think we all have everything within us right yeah where do you put your attention in varying capacities because we each have unique talents that just come to the front right come to the surface easier and so yeah that's that's what's so inspiring about this is seeing people jump and realize that oh my God I can actually go there you know and they've been living in such a self-defined or domesticated space their whole life that they haven't felt that experience of of being particles flying through the universe yeah absolutely and you know part of it I think you know with that like we're talking about like yes we're we're all connected like like Miguel says you are God we are God we are connected we have all those resources but it seems like we we choose certain Soul baskets certain avatars when we come down here that will allow us to access certain things more readily yeah and well there's so much that happens I mean it's trying to trying to to wrap your head around the every you go through being initiated back into being human on earth again it's it's so much I don't know how you put it into one story right you know but it we get overwhelmed with it and rightfully so um and we identify by it because that's how we identify by being in this world and then we take on all those beliefs and you know all the the whole domestication process that we're familiar with it it it inevitably it seems that it becomes a spell more or less you know it becomes a limiting a limiting factor in how and why we live our lives and anytime anytime we we get dumbed down it tends to it tends to take out a life of its own that living smaller than you actually are takes out a life of its own and it seems like until something happens to crack it we naturally tend to get smaller and smaller because we're grasping for things outside of ourself to to give us relief or to give us value or to give us an identity and the more we grasp and the more we reach the smaller we get it's does that make sense it does what I in my mind what I see is the more we try to find something to give us purpose we pull we put that on ourselves and it ends up weighing us down more and more we put more layers let's try this blanket and see if it feels good but we never actually take the old ones off we just keep piling on piling on and it just well the unspoken side of that is that we're not okay just like we are right right so every time we start chasing another another Feelgood or we start chasing another means to have value in the world every time we reinforce that we are also reinforcing that we're not okay really just as we are absolutely you know so it's a it's a bit of a trap it's just it's all interesting it's all interesting yeah it's a it's a downward spiral until you say no more right that's that's enough and usually it is like you said it's somebody who has said that's it before that recognizes it and pulls you up by your bootstraps and says hey there's another way to go try that direction yeah yeah yeah call it a crack open call it an Awakening you know whatever verbiage you want to give it it's usually because somebody that had already done it sees that you're there and you're ready and they you know it's just like sprinkle sprinkling a little inspiration into the mix yeah yeah just a touch of inspiration goes a long way well I believe that you're masterful at that you know we we don't have physical conversations very much but you know because we've spent so much time in these places and when I say so much time I don't mean like physical linear time like what we're living in the 3D World when you're energetically connected time doesn't exist right like in the construct that we believe in and sometimes it will be three sentences out of a whole thing that you post on Facebook and I'm like oh there's my course correct oh like you are consistently teaching us even though we're not in physical contact right because we've we've allowed that space and once you found teachers that you can surrender with and know that you're safe we're open to everything that you have to say and then we filter through right yeah open and energetic container yeah we take what we take what fits for us and US exactly you know that's really an important practice or realization and it's important to remind people of that take what feels correct for you right don't worry about the rest of it don't try and figure out the rest of it exactly all the threads that inspire you and that'll that leads us on we don't need to because if you get into all the detail of oh well this teacher said all these things there's 20 pages of of teaching here and I've got to wrap my head around all of it by the time you do that you end up giving your power away exactly it's not really inspiring you on a heart and soul level it becomes a mind game again it's another mind oriented practice Yeah you know we've done enough of that well and I was just gonna say to to be able to get to that piece of medicine you had to go through it I know I certainly did yeah you well right we always approach things you know you meet people where they're at exactly and that's a really important one too as a as a so-called teacher or a guide or a leader or whatever it's really important and I had to remind myself of this all the time like for all these years that that it's my responsibility to meet people where they're at I'm not responsible for where they're at but I'm responsible to meet them there if I want to really connect to them right and that connection is where you begin to build the trust and the communication so that you can actually start sharing things and help them move along their path you know in a direction that resonates with them like I want people to tell me that felt real like you said about flying like that felt so good and it was so interesting or cool so it's as a as a teacher I'm like okay cool well then let's work with that right because once you realize that you can start following the leads of the things that inspire you will stop wrestling with all the stuff that's really not important that we're trying to wrap our head around and we start giving attention and energy and time to develop in our talents and our gifts exactly yeah yeah you know I have a daughter that's Bella's 21 and she's going to school at Old Miss and she is a natural songwriter she's an amazing singer songwriter and she's had offers to do stuff here in Nashville but she wants to finish college you know and I'll be talking to Belle and her the music is so natural to her she has no ego about it at all and so she doesn't she doesn't really have to work at it it just comes through her and she'll be worried about classes and worried about grades and worried about this and I've got to learn that I've got to pass this and I got to do that and I'm watching her and the whole time she's struggling with all that stuff because that's her journey through life it's not up to me to interfere in her journey right yeah I listened to all that I think girl the minute you get out of school you're going to have such a badass whole situation going on so quick that none of this is going to matter but we have to learn how to navigate the struggle exactly it's it's so funny because I we're having the same observing the same thing with with my daughter she was off at school and everything was just such a struggle how do I you know working in school and personal life and and she recently had a big aha that she's like I don't I don't even want this I don't even know I'm doing this and yeah when when we get done here I'm driving 1,200 miles to pick her up and bring her home like literally the second after this podcast oh really well you know that's so cool because how many people do you know that at 30 or 35 or 45 or 55 woke up one day and said what the hell am I doing I don't this is whose life is this I don't want to do this anymore absolutely I know that's what I'm like that's that's where really the midlife crisis comes in and it's like she's getting that [ __ ] out of the way so early 19 yeah you know she's 19 years old and going man I've been walking down a path that doesn't serve me like to be able to have those realizations at 19 is is life changing what yeah imagine all that you could accomplish what is ringing hang on a secondly oh speaking of Sammy that was literally Sammy there you go well maybe we'll edit that out maybe we won't sometimes you talk about senses yeah the spider senses and we're literally I'm watching a spider walk across the top of my screen yeah trying see there he is we have a little spider medicine joining us on our podcast today he's very thick and furry he's actually my grandson yesterday revealed to the world he's he's like five and he let the world know that he's Spider-Man he went and put a Spider-Man costume on in a gymnastics comp so he came running in and he said I'm Spider-Man I was like well we've been looking for you that is awesome yeah yeah so you know we we can all use a superhero every once in a while too absolutely yeah so it's been it's been amazing watching her and being able to hold and share some of the medicine that we've learned from our teachers for her and now we're literally watching her take her power back step into okay what is the next step and I'm okay being in the void right now and I'm just so proud of her and watching her so we're having similar experiences with the kids right now uh-huh but you know what I said about Bell it it was so important that your daughter that my daughter it's so important that we allow our children to find their own way in navigating the world yes and a lot of parents don't do that they there's parenting is so screwed up in general but we want them we want either we have a vision in our mind of what we or who we think our children should be which is absolutely none of our damn business it's their business or we're trying to save them or keep everything comfortable and you know like babysit them when they're in their in their late teens and 20s and it's so important that they learn their way of navigating through all the stuff right support them in how they sort out the navigating which is what you're talking about that's the important thing but we but trying to rescue or or interfere with it it's disrespectful yeah yeah yeah it takes away from their experience you know parenting is like the real first lesson in guiding others on their journey in life yeah if you can learn to let your kids walk through the lessons then you can let other people do it without interfering and you can be a an effective guide and not somebody who's trying to write other people stories right right yeah we all have our own learning styles we all have our own learning styles so well what else they are our greatest teachers our kids you know I I certainly have have lived lifetimes of good parenting and bad parenting in my own world and that was actually part of the reason why I ended up in the toltec tradition and started my whole path because my daughter went nope yeah you know and so it it's amazing now to kind of have a do-over with Samantha and to be able to have a very powerful willful beautiful female energy in the house to guide and direct and love and just hold space for it's I I'm so grateful for my do-over and while while holding the door open for other relationships to return exactly to come back in right old relationships to to be redefined yeah so well that's living to practice exactly exactly yeah you know once we once we practice it long enough we actually begin to embody it right then we remember things and we see our-self you know we're like oh my God I'm doing that again and so we check our-self and then we shift our attention or we shift our response and the way that we interact and that's literally how we change relationships it's how we grow yeah yeah absolutely yeah I you know I've had that big dose of it this last year because it's been a year now since the cancer thing started and it completely changed my entire reality yes absolutely we completely changed it so and I I was I realized things still that have shifted over the last year that in the moment I don't I'm not realizing that it shifted because I'm so in that moment right you know it becomes your new normal yeah it does well for a while it's a new limbo right because nothing is actually normal nothing is familiar enough to call it normal it's literally one day at a time yes um but it's you know it re-frames things I I I I don't have a it's hard to articulate it but the in the simplest it it has simplified every relationship in my life to such a degree that there's just there's no more worrying about anything you just live in the moment with what's going on and you make your choices and you really have to I had to break my pattern of expectations because I never knew from one day or one minute to the next how I was going to feel or what I was going to want to do so it's you know life keeps giving us these Landscapes and learning how to navigate it I had to learn how to navigate from a whole new relationship with being in a body and being myself and walking around with the with the angel of death yeah you know so it's you learn how to navigate it yeah and some things serve you in that and some don't the fear I was never in fear with this and that always that was very perplexing to me I kept waiting to be afraid right and fear just never showed up yeah you know sadness showed up but fear never showed up and I was like okay well one of these days I'm going to wake up and be scared right well it just never happened yeah um I don't know maybe it'll happen tomorrow but I you never know we're we're really bizarre little beings we're never G to figure ourselves out completely why we're here but we can absolutely learned how to love being here yeah yeah that's the the greatest joy for me came when I quit trying you know even when I'm practicing healing work and and helping guide people I just I'm like I don't I don't try to understand it because as soon as I try to understand it I I screw it all up so I just well the minute you go into thinking about it it breaks the flow exactly so I don't even I don't even know what I've done half the time I just know that something happened and it's cool and they and I see the effects of that afterwards yeah and it's just fun like like you say it's just fun to to flow with it and see what happens and and observe those moments for what they are without without the expectation yeah just living it well just remember our journey in Peru you know there's like I've I've never and I got this from Miguel way back there 25 years ago from Miguel Ruiz you know because they would never put out an itinerary of where you were going right because they wanted to break that need to know of the mind and and then because a minute you think you know you're going to start having expectations yeah okay and so um on the journeys like in Peru you know where we were going to go that day it was it we knew we had an idea of where we were going to go but things changed all the time right and some people get really upset because well I thought we were going here today and I said you wouldn't know you were there if I didn't tell you you were there you've never been there before

right like you don't know if you're in Iowa or Wisconsin Right difference does it make yeah yeah but that's the that's the fear right yeah it well it's that it's that feel it like we're safe if we think if we can tell our-self we're in control right yeah we know what's getting ready to happen don't expose my lie it's comfortable for me that's another thing about this you know having a having dealing with cancer is um you never know what's going to come next no you know you never know what the next scan's gonna say or whatever and so you just just enjoy the ride man it is a deeper level of surrender well it it takes people moments like cancer most people to have that that shaken out of the the denial that they've been living in right because the reality is none of us know no we don't we never I I mean I I I work this for a living like people's lives end suddenly all the time so you can either walk around afraid about it or you can ignore it and pretend like it doesn't exist or you can just like you said develop that relationship with the angel of death acknowledge that we will die and quit letting that determine which direction you take in life right well I'm sure it's like running into a burning building you don't run in there with a story about what it's going to look like and how it's going to go when you get in that building you got to live in that moment right yeah you're just flowing firefighters talk about the fire is like a bee it is it's it has a mind of its own literally like there's a Consciousness to the way fire moves through things yeah yeah it has a it has a method and a Madness and and if you don't observe it and and respect and yeah connect with it and respect it it gets you yeah yeah well that's the journey right so far we're doing pretty well ourselves right feels like it yeah so going to T you've been to Teo several times this past year while you were on your cancer Journey was that different compared to before or what were the what did you feel had shifted last year and also your wife's been joining you yeah she has been so that was a shift in itself right well I went in August with Rita Rivera and Ed Fox and Mimi and then we went back in December you know for me it was like I didn't have endless energy right so we would I'd get up in the morning I would feel good in the mornings and then we would do our thing we'd go over into into Teo and we come back well I would end up taking a nap in the afternoon and mellowing out which was fine I'm just taking care of myself right and but what what was interesting is the whole frequency of ta how much it's shifted it's a completely different relationship I'm I'm developing a new relationship with with the the consciousness of that place now like I've known it been with it for so many years and Rita and I had a big conversation about this because she's been going down there for 30 something years you know and she was struggling with how the underpinning of everything had changed and she was the last journey on the way from the airport out to Teotihuacán I got this feeling that we needed to completely abandon teaching as we have known teaching and we needed to guide people and support them and holding space and allowing their own answers their own realizations to come forward as you move through the Journey as opposed to teaching them what this place is or that place is give them a little snippet of information but allow them to have their own experience and see let the ones that are capable go there yeah you know yes and the ones that aren't capable support them and how they might come into a resonance to be able to hear and feel and see what's being offered to them through the energy of the place through the energy of the temples and stuff and at the end of The Journey we had Rita and I had a big conversation because it was really challenging I'd already broken the mold for myself as far as what teaching looks like Rita had broken the mold yet and she was struggling with guiding people and you know getting in there and doing a process whether I said we're not doing any processes no freaking processing right let's just be in this moment you know let's let's let this living moment guide us and Inspire us and show us I don't I do not want to go back and indulge in the past anymore yeah but it was really cool because we're all subject to the same attachment to patterns and and the failure and expectations and the roles plays because as teachers inevitably you're going to catch yourself playing a role as a teacher that you've made up that's not really what you're doing but you're we get so invested in it our ego gets invested in it our pride it needs to look this way and you need to show up in a certain way and the whole program is done a certain way I know I definitely fell into that trap as well and this last year going to Tao and not having that it was amazing so I'm really excited to hear that you were experiencing the same thing yeah I think a number of people have the ones the ones that live the the ones that live a relationship with Tao rather than living a relationship with the teaching right because there's a lot of people that their basis of relationship is the teaching right it's not with the spontaneous nature of the energy of T right right and it's it's to find someone that actually lives that in the moment living relationship with the energy of Teo is an entirely different experience absolutely absolutely and the last time we talked I actually wrote wrote something down you'd said you were talking about this same subject and we were we were we were discussing the the flip thinking that it was a masculine place and the divine feminine has always been there and one of the quotes that you said was that the feminine is now bestowing the power to the males and the males did not that has always that has always been the case right and you you You' said the males did not have the ability to summon the power that the feminine is the master of yeah and we witnessed that and H have experienced that and I don't know if you've I'm sure you went under quoddle right a powerful powerful experience yeah it it's that's that's a whole other something I would have to be able to that it's a whole other podcast I'd have to telepathically be able to show you what I experienced down there but yeah and and again see even that statement that it's the feminine that bestows the the what they what we call power to the male that brings up all kind of images and domestication and right you know it's the it's the energetic of what we identify as feminine exactly it's not worldly feminine it's not female human feminine it's an energetic it's not a form right yeah and we're so our nature because we live in form here is to identify and re-identifying the minute we go to the form we move away from the relationship directly with the energy you know people identify Jesus on the cross well that's not the Christ energy right that being on a cross did it happen did it not happen I don't know but it's the image that rep that represents the faith of a lot of people when the truth is the real relationship is with an energetic that's not embodied in form and never has been right you know form is a is a limitation so the feminine that feminine energy and the way it informs us what was so compelling to me this last time was realizing we were told but then I really got it that all of these energies emerge into this realm this what we call World those energies emerge into this world through the embodiment of the feminine and so where does it come from well we you know we could talk about black light we can talk about it comes of the noal and and is comes through the the embodiment the energy of the feminine and then it's born into form of the toonol if you're using totec language so the realm of form is the tonal the realm of Spirit and the unknown the mystery is the noal and it the the real gift in it is developing the ability to realize when you're attaching into forms and Concepts and to shift shift away from that it's a feeling it's a felt sense to me exactly yeah it's not a identify it by what it looks like it is literally a felt sense and I think that's what all of us humans have really moved far away from because our feelings have been so indulgent in Emotion for so long that's why I really love the the concept and the the writing of the Bytes of Light book you know we really go into exact like you you just summed it up beautifully about housing the two energies within within your soul basket because e you know men also house the feminine energy right like it's and and so I love that little recap and we dive pretty deep into that into our book yeah yeah well it's me you could talk about it forever and it's and it's never what you're saying right a funny thing you know we we deem people to be experts on this and that but the what they're talking about is not the thing they're even talking about the thing you're talking about is something else entirely yeah yeah and then you know in Miguel's words you know once you actually bring it into words form it's no longer the truth anymore anyways because we're trying to translate the energy that we're experiencing yeah well we do the best we can with exactly the way language works yeah yeah I love many translations are coming out and you know the veil is Getting Thinner and we are starting to feel more energy and those of us who are committed to this path and doing the work new language is going to come through our experiences because we are pushing forward and it does take a lot of courage to do this work and you know that's a lot of the language that Seth is using as he's going into the fire department with this this these teachings is that bravery encourage piece this is not easy work yeah no and you have to you know it's I used to say to to the guys that work for me on the ranches you got to be smarter than the cow right if you're got to be a cow you got to be smarter than the cow or you're never going to get much done right you gotta smarter than the lingo that's why change in the lingo so it doesn't trigger reactions from people is so important a master doesn't care what frames of reference he uses as long as it's conveying the message yeah you know so that's really important there's so many things to remind our-self of all the time that that that's just of Great Value yeah well we certainly appreciate your language and your commitment to your path because it's it's very inspiring for us and it has just been so amazing being part of your journey and witnessing and holding for you and allowing you to hold for us and that's that reciprocity and we just love you very much yes well it's mutual it is totally mutual and I'm going back to Peru the end of July that's on the spirit recovery.com website yeah and I think I'm gonna go to Teo the 1 of May I'm trying to get Rita to come back Ed's all on board but I've I've got dates for May to go back to Tao because I want to continue to pursue of course this this new experience there yeah well we will drop those links in the show notes and at least show people where they can find you and we highly recommend journeying with Lee absolutely it has changed our life for sure yeah yeah if it's if it's if it's intriguing your mind what he's saying and this idea and you're like oh that sounds really cool then then do it that's your hit chances are leave the person for you to go to Teo with and take that action step or Peru whichever one jumps out at you they're both life-changing experiences if you are ready to let go and allow them to be exactly I'm so ready to be back in Peru oh yeah yeah yeah right it's just just Beauty surrounds you there all the time I know it is pretty incredible we're looking forward to going back as well thank you so much for joining us today it is always our pleasure to have wonderful conversations with you well I 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